http://audio.omroep.nl/radio6/vpro/avondenuur2/20110329-22.mp3
(starting at 28.26)
The interview is recorded by Maarten Westerveen, a good friend of Ap
![](https://sunglacier.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/VPRO-1024x400.jpg)
http://audio.omroep.nl/radio6/vpro/avondenuur2/20110329-22.mp3
(starting at 28.26)
The interview is recorded by Maarten Westerveen, a good friend of Ap